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		<dc:creator>&#8235;נדב שאלתיאל&#8236;</dc:creator>				<category><![CDATA[israel]]></category>
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		<description><![CDATA[&#8235;בוז'י הרצוג ושלי יחימוביץ' העלו תיקון לחוק תקופת הצינון (זהירות קובץ). ע&#34;פ ההצעה תקופת הצינון תפחת משלוש שנים לשנה (12 חודשים). נבירה קצרה באינטרנט העלתה כי מדובר ברמטכ&#34;ל לשעבר גבי אשכנזי שאמור להנהיג את מפלגת העבודה בבחירות הקרובות. לא ממש ברור לי למה גבי אשכנזי יסכים להתחיל את דרכו הפוליטית במפלגת העבודה המתפוררת ועוד יותר לא [...]&#8236;]]></description>			<content:encoded><![CDATA[<div dir="rtl"><p><a href="http://www.political-thinker.com/blog/wp-content/uploads/2012/01/133.jpg"><img class="size-medium wp-image-1933 alignleft" title="133" src="http://www.political-thinker.com/blog/wp-content/uploads/2012/01/133-300x224.jpg" alt="" width="300" height="224" /></a>בוז'י הרצוג ושלי יחימוביץ' העלו <a href="http://www.knesset.gov.il/privatelaw/data/18/3854.rtf">תיקון לחוק תקופת הצינון</a> (זהירות קובץ). ע&quot;פ ההצעה תקופת הצינון תפחת משלוש שנים לשנה (12 חודשים).</p>
<p>נבירה קצרה באינטרנט <a href="http://www.nrg.co.il/online/1/ART2/174/905.html" target="_blank">העלתה</a> כי <a href="http://news.walla.co.il/?w=/9/1885170" target="_blank">מדובר</a> ברמטכ&quot;ל לשעבר גבי אשכנזי שאמור להנהיג את מפלגת העבודה בבחירות הקרובות. לא ממש ברור לי למה גבי אשכנזי יסכים להתחיל את דרכו הפוליטית במפלגת העבודה המתפוררת ועוד יותר לא ברור לי למה ששלי יחימוביץ' תפנה את מקומה בשבילו.  אם שלי יחימוביץ' חושבת שהיא לא יכולה להנהיג את מפלגת העבודה לתוצאה טובה בבחירות היא לא הייתה צריכה להתמודד בהן מלכתחילה.</p>
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		<title>&#8235;Using Geospatial Analysis Tools for Nonproliferation Research&#8236;</title>		<link>http://www.political-thinker.com/blog/2011/09/using-geospatial-analysis-tools-for-nonproliferation-research/</link>
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		<description><![CDATA[&#8235;דובי קננגיסר שאל בפוסט האחרון שלו כיצד ניתן להתמודד עם האסטרטגיה של &#34;אם תרצו&#34; המציבה אותם כידידי הציונות ומציגה את כל המתנגדים להם כאויב. רמז לתשובה ניתן לדעתי למצוא בתרגום הגרוע של שם הסרט A serious man לעברית (יהודי טוב). היהודים (ולא רק היהודים) לא אוהבים שאומרים עליהם שהם רעים, להיפך. הם אולי יהיו מוכנים [...]&#8236;]]></description>			<content:encoded><![CDATA[<div dir="rtl"><p>דובי קננגיסר שאל <a href="http://dubikan.com/archives/1911">בפוסט האחרון</a> שלו כיצד ניתן להתמודד עם האסטרטגיה של &quot;אם תרצו&quot; המציבה אותם כידידי הציונות ומציגה את כל המתנגדים להם כאויב. רמז לתשובה ניתן לדעתי למצוא בתרגום הגרוע של שם הסרט A serious man  לעברית (יהודי טוב).</p>
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<p>היהודים (ולא רק היהודים) לא אוהבים שאומרים עליהם שהם רעים, להיפך. הם אולי יהיו מוכנים להודות שחלק מהמעשים שלהם פגעו במישהו, אבל גם זה כי &quot;לא הייתה ברירה&quot;. אנחנו הרי לא מקיימים תעמולה, אלא הסברה, כאילו שהעולם פשוט לא הבין את המצב שלנו ואם רק נסביר לו הוא מיד יתרצה ויכריז עלינו כצדיקים גמורים.</p>
<p>הבעיה של השמאל היא לא שמציירים אותו כאויב, אלא, חוסר היכולת שלו לפרגן לילד, לתת מילה טובה. לדעתי המצב שונה ממה <a href="http://dubikan.com/archives/1905">שדובי מתאר</a>, השמאל לא יכול התדרדר למלחמה של השפלה, מכיוון שהוא כבר משתמש בכלי הביוש (Shaming) לעיתים תכופות מדיי ושוכח להשתמש בחיזוקים חיוביים גם כשמגיע.</p>
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<p>הילד הוא טוב בבסיסו, אבל הלקאות חוזרות ונשנות (גם אם ההיגיון העומד בבסיסן הוא צודק) מרחיקות אותו מהגורם המנסה לחנך. ישראלים רבים אינם מאמינים כבר שיש בסיס ערכי אמיתי למשפט ההומניטארי הבינלאומי והם ממש לא מאמינים שיש דרך פעולה אפשרית שלא תזכה לגינוי. מדובר פה בצלקת פסיכולוגית שנצרבה במרבית העם וייקח זמן לשקם את האמון של העם בדבר האוניברסאליות של ערכיי זכויות האדם והמשפט ההומניטארי הבינלאומי.</p>
<p>הדרך להתמודד עם תדמית האויב היא לדעת לא להיות רק האויב ולדעת לבחור את הקרבות.</p>
<p>כאשר אני אומר &quot;לדעת לא להיות רק האויב&quot; אני מדבר על היכולת להתגאות בדברים שהם לכאורה מובנים מאליהם, לא רק להביע סלידה וגועל ממעשי המדינה אלא לדעת גם לתגמל אותה בעבור התנהגות נכונה. זה נכון שטקטיקות ה Naming and Shaming (אפשר לקרוא עליה בהרחבה בספרן של (<a href="http://www.amazon.com/Activists-Beyond-Borders-Advocacy-International/dp/0801484561">Margaret. Keck and Kathryn Sikkink</a>) מצליחות לאלץ את ישראל כמדינה לפעול בדרכים מסוימות, (מילת המפתח פה היא לאלץ). ההצלחה האמיתית של השמאל תהייה הטמעת ערכים בקרב מקבלי ההחלטות ולא אילוצם לפעולה.</p>
<p>אני חוזר מסוף שבוע אצל ההורים של בת זוגי לחיים. במהלך הביקור אמה סיפרה לנו על סרט תיעודי שצפתה בו. בסרט מוצגת פנימייה (אם אני לא טועה) של נוער עברייני וסיפורו של מנהל המנסה להחזירם למוטב (וכמובן שהוא גם מצליח). במהלך הסרט הוצגו חצר בית הספר, הכיתות ופינת העישון.</p>
<p>פינת עישון ?</p>
<p>כן, פינת עישון. המנהל הסביר שבכל הנוגע לעישון הוא אפילו לא מנסה לאסור זאת על התלמידים, הוא מאפשר לתלמידים לקיים חופש מסוים במסגרתו הם לוקחים חלק בהתנהגות לא נורמטיבית לכאורה וזה בדיוק מה שהשמאל צריך לפעמים לאפשר לישראלים לעשות.</p>
<p>אני יודע שלבקש להעלים עין מדברים שבד&quot;כ מגיע עליהם מכה זה קשה, אבל לא מדובר על העלמת עין שיטתית מסוג מסוים של התנהגות, אלא, פשוט לגלות לעיתים סלחנות.  אני באמת חושב שאם השמאל רוצה להצליח לחזור לשלטון ולגרום למדינה ולאזרחים לבצע פעולות שכיום נראות כלא טבעיות, הוא צריך להפסיק להיות קודם אבא מכה.</p>
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		<title>&#8235;מצב האומה&#8236;</title>		<link>http://www.political-thinker.com/blog/2011/03/%d7%9e%d7%a6%d7%91-%d7%94%d7%90%d7%95%d7%9e%d7%94/</link>
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		<pubDate>Mon, 28 Mar 2011 09:55:58 +0000</pubDate>
		<dc:creator>&#8235;נדב שאלתיאל&#8236;</dc:creator>				<category><![CDATA[military]]></category>
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		<dc:creator>&#8235;נדב שאלתיאל&#8236;</dc:creator>				<category><![CDATA[Diplomacy]]></category>
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		<description><![CDATA[&#8235;כבר חודש ומשהו אני מנסה למצוא זמן בשביל לכתוב על משמעות ההכרה במשפט הבינלאומי. אני רוצה לפתוח ולומר שלא מצאתי, אבל אני כן רוצה לקשר למאמר מעניין בנושא (PDF). נ.ב. לאור גל המדינות שמכירות בפלסטין כמדינה והחשש של משרד החוץ מכדור שלג, חשבתי שאולי כדאי להזכיר שבחודש שעבר סגן שר החוץ דני איילון היה משוכנע [...]&#8236;]]></description>			<content:encoded><![CDATA[<div dir="rtl"><p>כבר חודש ומשהו אני מנסה למצוא זמן בשביל לכתוב על משמעות ההכרה במשפט הבינלאומי. אני רוצה לפתוח ולומר שלא מצאתי, אבל אני כן רוצה לקשר למאמר מעניין בנושא (<a href="http://students.law.umich.edu/mjil/article-pdfs/v30n1-macklem.pdf" target="_blank">PDF</a>).</p>
<p>נ.ב.</p>
<p>לאור גל המדינות שמכירות בפלסטין כמדינה והחשש של משרד החוץ מכדור שלג, חשבתי שאולי כדאי להזכיר שבחודש שעבר סגן שר החוץ דני איילון היה משוכנע שרוב המדינות לא יעשו כך:</p>
<blockquote><p>&quot;סגן שר החוץ  דניאל אילון:</p>
<p>בשמחה רבה. בכל אופן, צריך להעמיד דברים על דיוקם, וגם כאשר ברזיל או ארגנטינה מדברות על הצורך בהקמת מדינה פלסטינית – דרך אגב, זה לא חדש, גם פה מדברים על זה, וכמו שציינת, חבר הכנסת גנאים דיבר על כך שגם ראש הממשלה דיבר על העניין הזה של שתי מדינות לשני עמים וכו'. אבל שים לב, שזה לא בא Carte blanche שמדברים על מדינה פלסטינית. הם אומרים: היא צריכה להיות דמוקרטית, צריך להיות רצף טריטוריאלי, צריך להיות כושר כלכלי. אז למה אני מדגיש את זה? זה לא העניין אם אני מאמין בזה או לא. הגישה שלי – אנחנו נמצא את ההזדמנות, ואני גם מניח שאתה מכיר מה המשנה המדינית שלי. אבל שים לב, היא צריכה להיות דמוקרטית – התנאי הזה קיים? לא קיים. היא צריכה להיות בעלת רצף טריטוריאלי – התנאי הזה קיים? לא קיים, היא צריכה להיות בעל כושר כלכלי – קיים? לא קיים.</p>
<p>חשוב להדגיש – אנחנו מביאים את העניין הזה, וגם להביא לידיעת הציבור הישראלי – שיש הרי מספיק מסעות הפחדה לגבי זה שחס וחלילה, אם תקבל את התכתיב הפלסטיני, אז מי יודע מה יקרה כאן. מאיימים עלינו שהם יכריזו חד-צדדית, מאיימים עלינו שיתחילו באינתיפאדה שלישית, מאיימים עלינו שייפרקו את הרשות. אז אני אומר: חבל. אם הפלסטינים, אם הרשות הפלסטינית באמת היתה רוצה להגיע לפתרון מוסכם שייטיב גם אתם, עם העם הפלסטיני והשלום – רבותי, זה לא רק אינטרס שלנו, זה גם אינטרס של העם הפלסטיני ושל כל מדינות האזור. אם הם רוצים באמת להגיע לכך, יפסיקו את האיומים, יפסיקו מהלכים חד-צדדיים, יפסיקו את מסע של הדה-לגיטימציה נגד ישראל, יפסיקו את כל האיומים האלה. זה מה שאני אומר. ולגבי ההכרה &#8211; - -</p>
<p>מוחמד ברכה (חד&quot;ש):</p>
<p>- &#8211; - חד-צדדית &#8211; - -</p>
<p>סגן שר החוץ דניאל אילון:</p>
<p>לא, בכלל לא. אנחנו מדברים על שטח שנמצא במקרה הטוב, אפשר להגיד, במחלוקת.</p>
<p>מוחמד ברכה (חד&quot;ש):</p>
<p>- &#8211; - זה שטח כבוש.</p>
<p>היו&quot;ר  אורלי לוי אבקסיס:</p>
<p>חבר הכנסת ברכה.</p>
<p>סגן שר החוץ דניאל אילון:</p>
<p>אני רוצה באמת גם להגיד לך שיש רבים, מאות מיליונים בעולם, שמאמינים בלב ובנפש שמה שאתה מדבר – יהודה ושומרון – זה שטח שאסור, אסור לעם היהודי להיפרד ממנו.</p>
<p>מוחמד ברכה  (חד&quot;ש):</p>
<p>יש מדינה בעולם שמסכימה אתך?</p>
<p>היו&quot;ר אורלי לוי אבקסיס:</p>
<p>חבר הכנסת ברכה, זה כבר &#8211; - -</p>
<p>עפו אגבאריה (חד&quot;ש):</p>
<p>- &#8211; - ההיפך, יש מדינה בעולם &#8211; - -</p>
<p>היו&quot;ר אורלי  לוי אבקסיס:</p>
<p>זה כבר רב-שיח, חברים.</p>
<p>ג'מאל זחאלקה (בל&quot;ד):</p>
<p>לא משאל עם, משאל עולם. נשאל את כל &#8211; - -</p>
<p>סגן שר החוץ  דניאל אילון:</p>
<p>אל תהיה בטוח.</p>
<p>היו&quot;ר אורלי לוי אבקסיס:</p>
<p>חברי הכנסת המציעים, בואו ניתן לכבוד סגן שר החוץ לסיים את דבריו.</p>
<p>טלב אלסאנע (רע&quot;ם-תע&quot;ל):</p>
<p>- &#8211; - משא-ומתן &#8211; - -</p>
<p>היו&quot;ר  אורלי לוי אבקסיס:</p>
<p>הרי לא המשא-ומתן עולה פה בהצעה לסדר-היום אלא ההכרזה, וזו תשובתו של סגן שר החוץ, אז בבקשה לכבד ולשמוע.</p>
<p>סגן שר החוץ דניאל אילון:</p>
<p>תודה.</p>
<p>טלב אלסאנע (רע&quot;ם-תע&quot;ל):</p>
<p>האם ממשלת ישראל &#8211; - -</p>
<p>היו&quot;ר אורלי לוי אבקסיס:</p>
<p>בוודאי, תמיד. בהיכרות אישית, תמיד. לכן אני מתארת לעצמי שההצעה שלכם תהיה לדיון נוסף או לוועדה.</p>
<p>מוחמד ברכה (חד&quot;ש):</p>
<p>סליחה, אני הייתי &#8211; - &#8211; בתור סגן השר.</p>
<p>היו&quot;ר אורלי לוי אבקסיס:</p>
<p>אתה יכול לבחור אם לענות או לא, זה בידיך כמובן.</p>
<p>מוחמד ברכה  (חד&quot;ש):</p>
<p>יש מדינה אחת בעולם שמסכימה עם עמדת ממשלת ישראל, אחת?</p>
<p>סגן שר החוץ דניאל אילון:</p>
<p>תיכף אני אשיב לך. תודה, גברתי. גם לגבי הדברים שאמר חבר הכנסת זחאלקה, אני לא בטוח שהיית רוצה שנערוך משאל עולמי כזה, וגם לא בקרב מדינות ערב. <span style="text-decoration: underline;">אתה תופתע אם תעשה באמת משאל שהוא יהיה משאל – אבל סמוי</span>, זאת אומרת, כל אחד יכול להצביע &#8211; -</p>
<p>טלב אלסאנע (רע&quot;ם-תע&quot;ל):</p>
<p>- &#8211; -</p>
<p>סגן שר החוץ דניאל אילון:</p>
<p>רגע. &#8211; - כל אחד יכול להצביע חשאית.</p>
<p>עפו אגבאריה (חד&quot;ש):</p>
<p>- &#8211; - הפרד ומשול – זה לא ילך.</p>
<p>סגן שר החוץ דניאל אילון:</p>
<p>אני לא בטוח.</p>
<p>היו&quot;ר אורלי לוי אבקסיס:</p>
<p>חבר הכנסת עפו אגבאריה.</p>
<p>קריאות:</p>
<p>- &#8211; -</p>
<p>טלב אלסאנע (רע&quot;ם-תע&quot;ל):</p>
<p>אתה יותר מדי אופטימי.</p>
<p>סגן שר החוץ  דניאל אילון:</p>
<p>אולי. אני מנסה להיות ריאליסט, בכל אופן. עם זה אני מתעסק – עם ריאליה. ומי שמתעסק עם פנטזיות ימצא את עצמו בסוף עם פנטזיות ביד ולא שום דבר אחר.&quot; (מתוך פרוטוקול הכנסת 15 בדצמבר 2010)</p></blockquote>
<p>אני חושש שזו ישראל שמוצאת את עצמה עם הפנטזיות ביד. פעם המצב היה הפוך הערבים היו אלו שהתקשו להפרד מהחלום ואילו היום&#8230;, היום זה היום.</p>
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